Montana Politics

55th Bedwetting Bigots Report for Duty to Help Murderers and Terrorists

To celebrate the week of Thanksgiving, a holiday they no doubt mythologize as the heartwarming tale of a band of indigenous people welcoming a group of bedraggled, hungry refugees with open arms, the 55th Bedwetting Bigot Brigade of the Montana Militia (whose members also serve in the Legislature every two years) has called on Governor Steve Bullock to illegally block imaginary refugees from coming to Montana to flee a very real genocide.

This band of patriots led by Lt. Colonel Fred “Craven” Thomas, wrote a letter to Governor Bullock asking that the governor ignore the Constitution, Christian morality, and basic human decency to block Syrian refugees from the United States. In the letter, they write that Bullock should:

use all legal means to block or resist the placement of Syrian refugees in our great state at this time.

Of course, one of the measures of a great state should be its moral standing in the world and how it treats the most disadvantaged. The “leaders” of a great state should not, in the face of inhumane cruelty, let their fear of widows and orphans lead them to demagogue while lives are on the line. That some of these cowards voted to block the illusory threat of Sharia law in Montana while taking the position that others across the world should face its harshest imposition moves beyond cowardice to craven gutlessness, and lays bare the fear that drives their ideology.

Lest you think it’s pure cowardice motivating this band of patriots, it’s worth pointing out that they are driven by naked bigotry as well. Speaking to the Bozeman Chronicle Major Matthew “Faint Heart” Monforton explained that it wasn’t just cowardice that caused him to sign the letter, but his ethnocentric, bigoted view of the world:

“When we look at Europe, there’s been decades of immigration of Muslims who refuse to assimilate,” the Bozeman lawmaker said. “They brought misogyny and Jew-hatred. I don’t want to see that in Montana or this country.”

Now that’s rich. The Republican members of the Montana Legislature, who want to strip women of access to healthcare, who cast sexist vote after sexist vote, who compare women to cattle, are concerned about misogynist attitudes? A party whose members regularly say the most offensive things about people based on sexuality, race, gender, and religion, has the audacity to complain about anti-Semitic attitudes?

What makes a state “great” is not the number of its citizens who can carry guns in churches and bars, nor is it the patriotic mewling of cowards who mouth support for Christian and humanist values while running in fear when presented with a chance to act upon them. Bigots argued that my ancestors were not welcome in America in the 1800s, and bigots sent Jews to their deaths in the years before and during World War 2. We have a shameful history of blocking people from these shores, and it’s simply astonishing that the Montana Republican Party, rather than learning from that deplorable past, wants to embrace it, and prevent human beings from seeking safety for their children.

Republicans are quick to decry the acts of ISIS and other organizations as terrorism, to use stories about beheadings and other violence for politics and fundraising, but when presented with a chance to save a few lives, they cower in the bunkers of their bigotry and fear. For people who blather endlessly about “letting the terrorists win,” it’s hard to imagine any better way to facilitate their aims.


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  • I have read not a single Syrian refugee has asked to resettle in Montana. I see the letter as a reflection of American opinion and a political tweek on Bullock just as Dems do at every opportunity. Politics are what they are.

    Now according to Gallup 60% of Americans oppose bringing Syrians to America. 40% of Dems and 58% of Independents share this view.

    The challenge is changing people’s minds and sense of security. Silly pejorative attacks just don’t cut the mustard in that regard. Elsewhere on ID I have written that takes education and a transparent process.

    • IF it is so transparent and trustworthy, then why hasn’t Bullock come out and make a stand on the issue showing his total faith in the system of review and how Montanans can rest assured there is nothing to fear in resettling refugees in Montana? Instead he is more occupied with making a bet with the South Dakota governor over a football game.

    • In America, certain sects of christianity does. in other parts of the world well that depends on the religion.

      the Christian sect of Obama haters, actually goes out and kills people regularly. they call themselves pro-lifers. Which I find to be a helluva contradiction…..

  • I talked with Fred Thomas today. The “conversation” lasted less than 2 minutes before he hung up on me. I told him I was disappointed that he had written the letter to the governor. He then proceeded to tell me that Obama was the worst president ever. I said, oh this is really about Obama, not the vetting process. He then said he didn’t have to listen to this and hung up. I then called one of my other representatives whose name was on the list. He said he never signed a letter written by Fred Thomas. So…not sure all 55 are true believers as portrayed by Sen. Thomas.

  • “…a very real genocide”?

    Really? Why don’t you lay out your understanding of the geopolitical situation in Syria and how that relates to your “genocide”?

    • Oh, gooodness no. I would never presume to tell someone who reads such high quality sources anything about the rest of the world. Perhaps you can drop the truth on us from one of your sources on the ground.

      • I’m not the one with a genocide statement left unreferenced in a post. I thought you were all about bloggers referencing other than “absurd sources.” So please enlighten us to how you came to the conclusion that there is a “very real genocide” happening in Syria.

        Or would you rather not share your sources with us, this just being your opinion and all?

  • Oh god, not this again. yes there is genocide by “Daesh”( otherwise known wrongly as ISIS, or ISIL. They are not a state in any sense of the word, they are a terrorist group)…..

    Let’s see they tried to round up all the nearly 40,000 Yazidis in Syria by trapping them on the top of Mount Sinjar with few resources; many with just the clothes on their back. there orders were to kill the men and subjugate the women.

    But hey what’s a little truth to people who want to press their own dialogue of fear on Montanans.

    Thank goodness for our President intervening. the U.S. had sent them humanitarian airdrops. Obama authorized airstrikes against Daesh who are threatening to kill all the Yazidis there, while other coalilition member states sent Helocopters to airlift those too sick or injured to walk back down on the safe side of that mountain…

    Then there is all the minority Iraqi Christians who had fled from al Qaeda in Iraq, when Daesh was still embedded with them in 2003? Or don’t you remember that either?? Almost half of the Iraqi christians left Iraq Or should I call them Chaldeans as they call themselves.

    Lastly there are the Turkmen, a Turkic-speaking, traditionally nomadic people who are being hounded down and killed by Daesh also…

    So yeah if you actually read the Bulletins put out by the other state Coalition forces. you can see there is Genocide being committed.

  • You asked Don to prove that genocide existed. I offered that proof… And now you don’t seem to even recognize your own Question. Genocide exists in Syria. it is committed by Daesh, and Assad.

    Dons right, you might need medical attention. But I already mentioned you have a problem with anyone else’s input!

    • I asked Don, not you. He’s the one that just dropped the genocide term into his post without referring to which entity he was attributing it. Attributing a genocide to Assad carries a far different meaning than attributing one to ISIS, or say to the U.S.

      And nice to know that you believe in ad hominem attacks as much as Don does. It really helps keep the atmosphere of this place clear.

  • Generally I don’t usually go to someone else’s website and attack the website owner continually like someone here does. I just attack the Ideas. you have been befret of Ideas for a long time JC. or common sense.

    • Norma, I haven’t commented here in years. And where do you see me “attacking the website owner continually” in this post. I’m just asking him to engage in some debate, which after all supposedly is his strong suit.

      And yes, Don has come to our blog and attacked me repeatedly. So keep your crocodile tears to yourself. And if you don’t see how you are resorting to ad hominem, then too bad. Everybody else sees you for what you are.

    • Norma, my initial comment here was to engage Don in his understanding of genocide in the Middle East. I understand his reticence to do so, as it is a highly controversial and emotional issue. As Don has yet to offer his ideas on genocide, how could I have attacked them?

      As to my “butt hurt feelings”, you don’t have a clue as to how I feel Norma. But your assumptions say way more about you than about me.

      • I’m terribly sorry you see my concern as a personal attack. I’m genuinely worried about you.

        My apologies if you didn’t take my comments that way.

        • Apologies? What a laugher. You have absolutely no concern for me. You are just using ad hominem as a way to instigate an attack from me, and to cover your inability to have a rational debate about your ambiguous use of the term “genocide”.

  • By the way explain to me the difference of Assad’s Genocide vs Daesh Genocide? Is one better of something like that? Inquiring minds want to know?

    • In order to discuss the topic of Assad’s actions re: genocide, one must determine to which party you place the blame for the Ghouta chemical attack, which has been pointed to as the tipping point. Do you believe that Assad used chemical weapons against his own people in August 2013?

      And to which other events do you ascribe to Assad as evidence of genocide?

  • So the hundred of so thousand Syrians who died before Ghoutra wasn’t a genocide but the Ghoutra attack was???


    The statistics for the Syrian civil war make shocking reading : the conflict has claimed the lives of more than 250,000 people and displaced 7.5 million. And approximately 1.5 million are seeking solace and shelter in the UK and Europe and America?

    But Ghoutra happened because the rebels were actually taking back towns and cities. People were already dieing because of Assad way before. They were in Civil war, reclaiming what was taken from them long before Ghoutra.

    If Ghoutra was a tipping point. it was because we, who had been sitting on our hands, during the time the syrian people revolted against a mass Murdering family, finally got involved… After Ghoutra.

    Assads father and Assad himself had the nickname each of “Butcher” long before we jumped in. These little historical facts, these Nuanced Historical nuggets is what you are forgetting.

    Yes Genocide was being Committed in Syria long before Ghoutra. But you didn’t answer my question.

    whats the difference of Assad’s Genocide vs Daesh Genocide? you just tried muddying the waters with general facts people who read already know.

    • Norma, you’re free to have an argument with yourself all you want, but please don’t put words in my mouth. That’s called creating a straw man — another of your favorite debating techniques.

      • I am quoting you JC! Your answers and comments, hold up only as well and long as a piece of bread tossed into a Koi Pond.

        You sound more and more like Tokarski everyday. Congratulations!

        • Moderated: A review of the comment policy will show that we have little tolerance for personal attacks conducted under the shield of pseudonyms. While I have sympathy for JC’s seeming inability to conduct a discussion without slipping into a frothing rage, he doesn’t get to do it here.

          • And moderated again: that you cannot tell the difference between a personal attack and an actual argument is no reason for me to permit you to continue making the former. Please consider reading the commenting policy.

            You’re more that welcome to continue posting your arguments, but once again, I ask you to leave personal disputes out of it. If, however, you have the courage to post under your actual name, you will receive more latitude. I’ve explained my reasoning for this repeatedly. And given your tendency to moderate arguments for all sorts of reasons, I assume you understand why I have the right to moderate comments here.


            • And moderated: JC, please try to stick to the topic. It’s ironic that you complain about ad hominem attacks when you can’t stop using them.

          • I don’t know what was said JC and do not care at this point. I will say one other thing though…. If you put as much time into investigative reporting as you put into sliming people, when you get call out for misinterpreting the facts….. you might have better facts to argue with. Just saying!

            • I’m not a politician JC. I am an advocate of many forward Ideas including edification, community building, Truth, and facts. Maybe you need to look that up because I haven’t held a public office…. yet.

              The definition of politician is quite different.

            • Norma, you ran for election to the MT Legislature. That makes you a politician. You also indicated at Cowgirl that you are running again, when someone dangled some money in front of you. You’re either a politician, or a crook. Take your pick.

              • Ah, the comforts of attacking a person from the cloak of anonymity. You’re so brave.

                All this anger can’t be good for you. You really should read what Liz posted about the dangers of angry, isolated men who can’t seem to control their rage and sense of entitlement. I’m moving from concern for you to concern for others.

                Take care of yourself.

      • Attacking a person? Either you’re so thin skinned that you think any kind of disagreement or challenge is an attack, or you’re still trying to provoke a real attack from me so you can say “I told you so.”

        I’m neither isolated nor angry, that’s your straw man. As to accusing me of a “sense of entitlement”, again, that’s just you projecting your own insecurities.

        And your “concerns” are nothing more than crocodile tears meant to scare your other readers to not listen to me. More ad hominem, which you are a pro at.

        • I think your comments and post speak to whether or not you are an angry person prone to lashing out. That I’m concerned about your online behavior is hardly an effort to silence you, but real concern. I’m sorry you can’t see that.

          I really do like the work you’ve done reading Logical Fallacies for Dummies lately. The way you sprinkle almost understanding fallacies into your comments has really improved them.

          • You’re such a phony Don. Most people see this little tit-for-tat for what it is. You’re afraid to engage in a real discussion about part of your post. Why you are afraid, who knows. Probably because you know you dangled some flame-bait out there unwittingly (“genocide”) and are unwilling to talk about the root causes of the real issues that lead to genocide, or atrocities, or whatever…

            Your attempts to conflate what you think my “online behavior” is with whatever fears you have is really silly. But then again, it’s what people have come to expect from you.

            • I’m quite confident that most people who read your commentary and mine see exactly what’s happening, too. Outside of the little circle you’ve got going on at your site, in which Russian propaganda sites and blogs are passed off as news, you’ve got very little credibility.

              Your irrational need to attack everyone who doesn’t share your worldview only makes that more clear.

              And I suspect I’m probably not the only one who worries a little bit about your irrational flights into rage. I just hope one of them knows you, and encourages you to talk to someone about it. The mixture of self-righteousness, paranoia, and anger you display is of real concern.

            • Your in-the-fishbowl view of the world is your own jail, Don. Anyways, I’m done with this post. You could have just engaged in a real discussion about what you wrote, instead you chose to attack me. Your choice. Let’s see what the next post you write dredges up.

              As to people who know me, your own Pete Talbot and I are acquaintances. You can ask him about your concerns for me. I think he’d agree that your one-sided campaign against me is misplaced.

              • One-sided campaign? I assume you’re choosing to ignore the amount of “content” on your site that is driven by animus directed at me and the other people who write at this site. Of course, people suffering from paranoid delusions have trouble with reality, so I’ll give you a free pass on that.

                As for Pete, I actually did reach to him to mention my concern about you. Despite your refusal to see it as such, I’m genuinely concerned, and reached out to the one person I know who knows you. I hope I’m wrong about my concerns, because it’s clear you aren’t going to address them. Best of luck.

  • Here’s what Dem star and vice chair of the DNC, Tulsi Gabbard, has to say about the matter.

    ======“You couldn’t get a better role model,” said Representative Steve Israel, who led the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee when Ms. Gabbard was first elected in 2012. “She reflected the diversity of the caucus and at the same time had amazing credibility on the issue of national security.”

    Ms. Gabbard, who served two combat tours in the Middle East and holds the rank of major in the Hawaii Army National Guard, has also called for the United States to suspend its visa waiver program with European countries until the intelligence community can catch up with the influx of Syrian refugees, an economically risky proposition…

    “We Democrats on the House Armed Services Committee are not there to rubber-stamp administration policy,” said Representative Adam Smith of Washington, the committee’s top Democrat. “We’re there to say what we think is right, and Tulsi does that and does it very well.”=====

  • Hi Don: For whatever it’s worth…

    I’d just like to point out that I find your constant attempts at baiting and goading JC while passively aggressively making fun of mental health issues one minute, then the next minute sometimes seriously – and then sometimes mockingly – imploring that he get help for supposed mental health problems, to be very disturbing.

    I hope that such behavior from you is not common-place in your classroom at Helena High School because young people may not be as strong (mentally and emotionally) as JC is. Thanks.

    • Matt,

      You can ascribe whatever motives you like to my concern about JC’s mental health, but I am concerned in a country full of angry men who seem to lash out unpredictably, hurting themselves and others.

      I also work with students on mental health issues. Any number of them would tell you that I’m a resource they find quite valuable when it comes to adolescent mental health, but without knowing anything, you revert repeatedly to suggesting that I am a bad teacher or do harm to my students. That’s repugnant behavior. Were you capable of it, you’d be ashamed of it.

      But you’re not.

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