Elsie Arntzen: A Bold Montana Republican in One Sentence

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Elsie Arntzen’s bold leadership for Montana in one sentence:

On another issue, Arntzen praised the two sides in Congress for coming up with the recently passed budget deal but said she wouldn’t have supported it because it spent too much.

At least Steve Daines has the good sense to wait a news cycle to flip-flop.

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Don Pogreba

Don Pogreba is an eighteen-year teacher of English, former debate coach, and loyal, if often sad, fan of the San Diego Padres and Portland Timbers. He spends far too many hours of his life working at school and on his small business, Big Sky Debate.

His work has appeared in Politico and Rewire.

In the past few years, travel has become a priority, whether it's a road trip to some little town in Montana or a museum of culture in Ísafjörður, Iceland.

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James Conner
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She says they didn’t make a mistake, but she wouldn’t have made it.

Greg Strandberg
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Wow, she’s a keeper.

Publius II
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Publius II

Just saw her on TV, spouting, shouting and blowing the ‘dog-whistle’ for haters to pile
on the ‘Obama the Bully’. As a public school teacher, I wonder if she knows how many of her 5th graders and their families HAVE healthcare, as this ‘gem’ wants to repeal O-Care while SHE has a general healthplan herself, so what’s HER solutions? Did she vote
for medicaid expansion? What did she suggest to HELP people, not provide them hate
rhetoric?

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
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Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

I too caught her on the TV news. Wow. What a creepy person. Hard to believe that she’s a teacher.

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
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Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

She even LOOKS like a teatard. She looks angry! What the hell kind of weirdo like that goes into education? I don’t get it. Wonder what the other teachers in her building think of her? Sumthin’ ain’t right here. Can a person that angry really have care and compassion for the little ones in her charge? I doubt it. Is there a comic book version of altlas shrugged that she uses in her classroom? I never met too many teachers that weird.

http://mtstreetfighter.com/arntzen-cant-hide-from-her-record-on-education/

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
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Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

There’s reality, and then there’s Teatard reality, and the two shall never meet! But when your hubby’s a big time gamblin’ man, just WHOM do you think ms. arntzen’s gonna support, the Dems, the Pubes, or the really wackos?! Easy answer. It would be interesting to see how she progressed from fifth grade teacher to insane person! She must have had some compassion at one time, or maybe was simply too slow to major in anything but elementary ed.! Which just proves that you don’t need to be a genius to teach fifth graders! I’m thinkin’ that she’s the mental… Read more »

Norma Duffy
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She certainly knows how to talk out of both sides of her mouth….. or MAybe she is just that clueless? I am voting for clueless myself!

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
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Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

Hmm. Interesting. Looks like her old man is doing his part to give back to society! Or not. Although I think the guy has great business acumen, I’m not sure that it couldn’t have been put to better use! But I think that all of this might help explain Elsie’s rabid teatardism! You see, making a profit off the misery of others, and saying to hell with the greater good, is pretty much what the teatards are all about! I got mine, screw yous guys!

http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/slot-exec-finds-routes-success

Mark Tokarski
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It helps to understand the mindset at work here. She makes perfect sense to herself and her words are like syrup on the waffled Randian brains of the right wing. Government spending, in their view, is an evil force that is seeking to enslave us by sponsoring do-good programs as wolves in sheep clothing. Economics is no more complicated than a household budget. You balance the budget and end regulations, stop all public assistance, and the country heals itself. I could write her speeches, just as I could for the Democratic side of our two party nightmare. It’s all feathers… Read more »

Norma Duffy
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But she isn’t a person who holds any real Power here Tolarski, none of the teatards do. The real power has always been one person, one vote. Teatards are hopelessly outnumbered Corporate leash holders of teatards don’t want the rest of America to know the power of the right to vote because that means “Inclusion.” Plus A true understanding of the constitution. Spoiler Alert: The republican party is dead. They now need three distinct, separate, conservative voices to respond to the presidents upcoming state of the union: A woman to soften their image of subjugating women. Because the women voters… Read more »

Mark Tokarski
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Very hard to understand how you think you have a cogent view of politics when in the long diatribe on your moral and intellectual a superiority, you neglected to mentione the word “money.” It’s as if it does not exist, and yet you presume to know where power lay.

When voters do not hold office holders accountable, as you Democrats do not, you have voluntarily ceded what little power you have.

Norma Duffy
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Corporations are money! Secondly, personal attacks on me, yet nothing of substance, no rebuttal? How trite and petty! Justs goes to prove you can’t answer the one person, one vote argument anytime soon.

Mark Tokarski
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Might be useful here if you can separate the notions of voting, politics and power. Power is the ability to get others to conform to your will. This is done via force, bribery, propaganda and honest persuasion, the latter least used. Politics is the ability to use one group’s power to achieve its goals by organizing other groups to support it, most often without knowing the true objectives of the organizing group. Bribery and propaganda are most used in politics, brute force and actual persuasion least. People do not reason among themselves about emotional issues, but rather yell and scream… Read more »

larry kurtz
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larry kurtz

Oh, Most Wise Mark: remind us what you are doing to fix politics rather than drubbing us with your Piece of Doom.

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
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Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

mark always shares with us his morning constitutional! In fact, I believe that he belongs to the morning constitution party!

Norma Duffy
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Wow man! “Voting is an infinitesimal expression of personal will” What the…? Voting is an established law given duty. Second a lot of people, like you squander it by not voting. People like you rationalize that it doesn’t count. You usually generalize to the point of nothingness –voters into two blocks of people as part of your Rationalism: 1. Party identification 2. General ideological Orientations Completely foregoing: 1.Public policy 2. Pursuing better Government performance 3. Personal characteristics of the candidates that makes them worth — or not worth voting for. 4. Social factors, race, religion, region, and social class appear… Read more »

Mark Tokarski
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Mark Tokarski

Voting is an expression of the illusion of self-governance.

Rob Kailey
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I disagree with Mark concerning the value of voting, based largely on two factors: 1) his assumptions of ‘where I’m coming from’ and worse 2) his assumption that I don’t know where he’s ‘coming from’. That having said … Voting is *not* “an established law given duty”. It is a right. When a right becomes a duty then it is no longer a right, but rather a requirement, a restriction of rights. If we are to say that voting is a duty and hold to the ideal that it is a right, then we can only mean that voting is… Read more »

Mark Tokarski
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Mark Tokarski

Please note, of course, that we don’t disagree on the importance of the right to vote, or not vote, but rather on the value of a vote in the current atmosphere. Money is the center of the problem, and until its force is subdued in some manner, voting will have little intrinsic value. Ground up organizing impacts public policy, as we saw with the rise of enviros, feminists, and African Americans last century. Roosevelt was both held to account and given power to act by organized labor. Those were truly democratic forces at work, and with those in place, voting… Read more »

Rob Kailey
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Again, Mark, I do not think we disagree on the value of voting, even in the current atmosphere. (Given the current environment) You contend that voting has no impact on progression. I contend that at the end of the day, it’s the only thing that ever has or will. We do not disagree about the impact of money save to this degree: You think money buys votes, a general and absolute statement. I reject such universals, even in the current climate, and that’s why politicians fear voter dementia. More to the point, that’s why you argue that Democrats would be… Read more »

Mark Tokarski
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Movements precede progress. How long as NARAL been at it? In the meantime, no elected official in DC dared touch that subject. Once public opinion is safely in place, they come out of their hiding places and go along.

The critical point is accountability: Financial backers pay close attention, and demand service in return for cash. The public does not. If you were an office holder, and if you wanted to stay in office, who would you serve? Who would you try to fool?

Mark Tokarski
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Mark Tokarski

I get it. You’re in it for personal validation. But I don’t understand why you think politics can change anything when you don’t even understand how it works. The only politics that matters is ground-up. What happens with you is top-down – the party and the media decide on a “viable” candidate or two and feed them to you and you slowly begin to believe that their running was your idea. The candidate polls you to find out what words and symbols will inspire you to vote for him or her, incorporates them into ads, and you begin your laughing… Read more »

Norma Duffy
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Your a guy who handles numbers — and yet you can’t add two sentences together to validate your voting opinion? Or even stay in the conversation without wandering to candidates? First of all the party, has nothing to do with someone filing to be a candidate. The person running decides that– and that has nothing to do with voters at that time. Being a candidate, is an individual decision. You can ask for party help, after you file, but it isn’t necessary either. A party can and often does not help the candidate out unless they ask either, and a… Read more »

Mark Tokarski
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You’re talking about how it would work in a functioning democracy with fully informed and vigilant citizens. The US is mostly poorly educated low-information voters, and again, Democrats do not hold candidates accountable anyway, so you make it easy for them to lie. And the two parties choose their candidates, and once every ten years, their voters. Get real. The hurdles to running outside the parties are insurmountable. No. 1 is, of course, money. And honestly, as a member of the leadership class, the 1%, all you need do is spend half a hour on the internet before deciding that… Read more »

larry kurtz
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larry kurtz

The term ‘recreational marijuana’ needs to go away, Mark. Using your best anarchist voice come up with an alternative that transcends party.

Rob Kailey
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Weed? Happy plant? Ganja? Toke? Reefer? Splif? Grass? Larry, what does your question have to do with the topic at hand here?

Rob Kailey
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Uhhh, no. You can’t actually “ask for party help” after you file unless you have reasonable assurance that party will assist you in the moneyed efforts. In theory, you can file as whatever and then ask any party for money. In practice, you can’t file as an ‘independent’ without the required signatures, and then turn to the Democrats to fund your campaign with any reasonable assurance that a) you will get funding or that b) you will win. As example, the Batcrap crazy Teapeep Mike Comstock filed for the Democratic nomination for Senate district 35. He appealed to the Republicant… Read more »

Norma Duffy
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Rob since you never ran how would you know? Yes you can ask for party help.

Norma Duffy
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“Independant” is not by law considered a political Party in Montana, Because Dan Cox took in more than 5% in 2010 for statewide office as an independent… Another independant running for statewide office wont have to file signatures. For counties or cities though — its totally different. You do have to file signatures showing enough people are interested in voting for you in a primary. Neither is Tea party, or Constitution party considered real parties, nor is the Green Party. According to the laws regarding Political Parties in Montana: ” Political parties must meet certain statutory requirements in order to… Read more »

Mark Tokarski
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You’re talking about formal, or legal requirements, and in Montana, where independent parties have an easier go of it. But reality is that if you don’t have party approval, you can howl at the moon, but you won’t get the backing you need, and will likely be stabbed in the back if you threaten the power structure. The two parties are top-down power structures, and hold monopoly power because independent movements do not have enough money to fight them. Further, they are controlled by large financial interests, and those interests do not work in the open. Power, real power, is… Read more »

Norma Duffy
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Again Mark complete untruth. I got tutors, money from other Democrats in office. Donations of time from and from my county party. Again as I said to Rob, If you never ran, never got invited to workshops as a candidate, never got help from your party….. it is because you never asked. Obviously you are parroting the republican side from someone republican and how republicans treat their candidates? And since you also don’t vote, this is another reason, you have no understanding of democracy. Keep trying though, I am sure that by 80 years old or so — you might… Read more »

Mark Tokarski
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I did run, as a democrat, as you know. I got some financial support, a few hundred bucks, from the party, but most of my $5,000 came from enviros. I was much too rebellious to know if I would have gotten better support had I been more docile. I was not very good at politics, and so cannot know what was possible there. I did, however, poll a larger percentage of the vote and far more votes than you, so hush.

Norma Duffy
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Really Mark? you agree with everything I just said in your last comment… or did you actually not notice that as you were deflecting. And this is the first time you said anything about running so where was it at? Cuz I seem to keep getting no results at the SOS Montana Page?

Lastly, I much to rebellious to hush for Coloradans in general

Mark Tokarski
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1996, Yellowstone County, beaten by Peg Arnett, Christian conservative, nice person, good person, smart politician. I’ve written about it frequently at the blog you’re not welcome at. I learned a lot about politics and myself, including that I should not run for office. Hope you did too.

Norma Duffy
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What blog am I not welcome at Mark? because I wasn’t banned from Cowgirls I just left in disgust over commenters who tend to tell tall fairy tales…. like you usually pen. YOu can ask her if you wish, I emailed my apologies before I left. Now, I just read her postings and leave. Sorry I find you too boring and conspricy driven to even get a look at your blog. So you cant possibly have banned a person who never showed up at your site…. well maybe you could and I wouldn’t care? Michael was thinking of trolling you… Read more »

Mark Tokarski
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It was a reference to my blog. You would especially enjoy the recent piece on postmodernism and Shakespeare, written with you in mind. Normally, however, I do try to keep the rabble at bay. Politics has not changed an iota in the intervening time since I ran. Baucus tried to steal my volunteers, as he didn’t have any to speak of outside his paid staff. He did that to all candidates all over, I was told. At one point we were told to gather outside a nightclub where Republicans were meeting for a staged event, and I was to speak… Read more »

Norma Duffy
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So Like I said, sometimes Mark you tell some pretty tall Tales. Yes you did run in 1996 but you only got 756 votes a tiny percentage of the population there, which is only about a half of what I got. Nice try though, apparently you weren’t very well liked in Yellowstone County.

Mark Tokarski
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Mark Tokarski

Your usual diligence, I see – the same by which you discovered that I am not a CPA and never did business in Montana. But I’d be curious about the numbers, as it’s been so long ago. You should understand that I ran for state house of representatives for one of 100 districts at that time. This was not a county-wide election. Whatever votes I got were something in the area of 35-40% of the vote. There were perhaps 2000 total ballots cast – I’m thinking more like 1,700, very large turnout for that district. I caused that – that… Read more »

Rob Kailey
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Psst, Norma. Rick Jore. Look him up.

Rob Kailey
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Yes, you can ‘ask’ for party help, with predictably the same results you would get by asking your minister to bless your extra-marital affair. You might get party assistance if you are running independent against an uncontested person of the opposite party. Rick Jore garnered a lot of Republican party assistance running against a Democrat. That was after a long history of serving as a Republican and two failures running against Republicans as a Constitutional candidate. Now, I might agree with your blanket statement if you can come up with even one example of how a third party candidate gained… Read more »

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
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Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

Oh Lord Jesus, if You happen to be watching, I have just one simple request. SAVE US! NOW! It’s gettin’ ugly down here, Lord. And I was thinkin’ that maybe if You’re not too busy at the moment, maybe you could rapture a few of the inbreds early, for yes, Lord, they really ARE nuckin’ futz! That’s all I ask, in Your name, Amen. Can I get an Amen?! THIS is what happens when the inbreds from down south start the great northward migration to the Great White Homeland of Montana, the land of the free and the land of… Read more »

Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers
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Larry Kralj, Environmental Rangers

OOOPsie! The Teatardians are feelin’ frisky!

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/27/fox-news-analyst-tells-tea-party-group-he-can-lead-a-military-coup-against-obama/

Ya know, when little georgie the second came to GF, we were told that we COULDN’T even hold signs that had a one inch piece of wood attached to the paper as a handle because it could be used as a weapon as bush drove by. Amazing! And yet we had this dooky on national news saying this.

Norma Duffy
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