But The Two Parties Are the Same, Dude…

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From Jen Sorensen at Daily Kos:

I find that people who spew the platitude that “the candidates are the same” tend to be the ones who have the least to lose if the wrong candidate is elected. At risk of sounding melodramatic, these elections truly are a matter of life and death. If you end the Affordable Care Act and millions of Americans lose their health insurance, people will die as a result. A recent estimate puts the number at 26,000 deaths per year due to lack of insurance; that’s more than a few September 11ths. Then there’s the Global Gag Rule, which Romney would reinstate. It rarely gets mentioned, but this policy wreaks havoc on women in impoverished nations. Romney would also end contributions to the U.N. Population Fund, which combats the spread of HIV and prevents 22,000 deaths annually.

Amen.

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Mark Tokarski
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Uh,dude – Obamacare = Romneycare= Heritage Foundation care. AHIP’s point person, Liz Fowler of Wellpoint (revolving in and out of Baucus’s office) headed the private health insurance team that wrote it. Obama ran it through. AHIP gave up a little, but got a whole lot, like millions of chattel customers. The Mullahs, predictably, tossed out the Medicaid provisions. We got screwed. The Obama I voted for said he supported a public option. Turned out he lied about that. He didn’t lift a finger in that direction except the one he lifted at progressives. When AHIP decided we were ready for… Read more »

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lizard19

the “dude” in the title is a fantastic example of the dripping condescension some people feel compelled to employ against those who refuse to vote for kill lists, indefinite detention, wall street immunity, and corporate trade agreements.

Rob Kailey
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Rob Kailey

Shorter Lizard: You’re just a meanie!

As Sorenson’s cartoon itself easily points out, sometimes “dripping condescension” is well deserved.

And speaking of (hypocritical) ‘condescension’, why do you feel that some people’s choices are the result of ‘compulsion’ against those whose ideas are of purely reasonable refusal?

lizard19
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lizard19

implying those who criticize the two party system lack sophistication, dude, is an easy smear (and kinda passive aggressive), not a reasoned response to legitimate concerns.

Rob Kailey
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Rob Kailey

I “implied” no such thing. What I stated rather directly is that you are a hypocrite, accusing others of condescension while engaging in it yourself. You think your concerns legitimate while calling others concerns “compelled”. One of us is being passive aggressive, but it certainly isn’t me.

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Rob Kailey

Since I’m very tired of dealing with crap, Lizard, let me be very clear here. I don’t care if you vote for Jill German Beer Glass, or Holy Underwear Guy, or Ayn Rand, or the President of these United States or even Mickey Mouse. I *really* don’t care if you think you participate in the system by voting against the system. Vote against your own interests or for them as you see fit. What I do care about is the absolute arrogance you bring to the discussion in telling others that they are not allowed to have an opinion about… Read more »

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lizard19

oh yes, I love telling people they are not allowed to have an opinion. that is exactly the point I was trying to make, thanks for clearing that up.

Jackso
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Jackso

COMMENT EDITED: Please be nice. And try not to be a homophobe.

Norma Duffy (@Ilikewoods)
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Heres what I believe and being a democrat longer than most here…. Lizard has a privilege to vote or not to vote. I , Of course think that he should vote, even if it is the lesser of two evils. I also believe he and his kind may one day find someone who can speak like Thomas Dorr did in his day( Look American History up folks). And hopefully his feelings of kill lists, indefinite detention, wall street immunity, and corporate trade agreements…. which I believe of getting rid of too, well come true. But realistically Lizard it must be… Read more »

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lizard19

I posted weeks ago that I was voting, and voting for Montana Democrats.

but I’m not voting for Obama.

The Polish Wolf
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When it comes down to it, your vote for Jill Stein is no more symbolic than my vote for Obama.

Rob Kailey
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Rob Kailey

The last time I pointed that very thing out, I was told that I’m “a bully”. But in the state of Montana, it remains nonetheless true. In the grander scheme, it remains equally true that a vote for Mittens is no more or less symbolic than a vote for “The Rent is Too Damned High” guy. What’s different are the motivations one ascribes to one who would vote for another. Mark thinks we’re all sheep herded by psychopaths (which he incorrectly uses interchangeably with “sociopath”). Lizard is very happy to gauge the quality of the choices of others and ascribe… Read more »

Norma Duffy (@Ilikewoods)
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Thats all good little brother!

Mark Tokarski
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The right to vote is one of many tools in a democratic society, but low on the list in terms of effectiveness. After all, if all the cards in the deck are the same, what difference is the choice? Far more important are petitions for redress, ground-level organizing, resistance to tyrannical forces, creation of communication channels, and discipline of those who have won the franchise. Debs sat out an election in prison – he was expressing of the true democratic impulse – courage and resistance. The attitude here is that voting is our all, and as I look around I… Read more »

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