Obama Changing the Individualistic Capitalist Paradigm

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With a mostly predictable slew of endorsements from the Montana Chamber of Commerce (the only surprises being that they didn’t endorse Johnson and Skees. The fact that this was a surprise tells you something about the Chamber), I find my self more and more appreciating Barack Obama’s recent ‘gaffe‘ suggesting that someone who ‘builds’ their business might owe something back to the society for giving them their chance to succeed.

Obama addresses the two greatest fallacies put forward by those who believe it is possible to be entirely self-made: That the rich are either smarter or harder working than the rest of us. Of course that’s nonsense. Mexicans and Portuguese work harder than Americans; Poles and Spaniards have on average higher IQs. But what American small businessperson would have rather tried to start a business in any of those four countries instead of the US?

Obama is probably going to lose votes over this, and he is definitely going to lose money. But, like endorsing gay marriage, he’s changing the tone of the debate, taking positions most politicians are scared to take. He’s doing exactly what liberals have been castigating him for not doing, and whether he pulls it off this election cycle or not, he’s setting a good precedent for the Democratic party stand for something besides just less stupid versions of Republican ideals. If he can talk the way he’s talking and still put up a good fight in Montana, Montana Democrats might be empowered to take firmer stands and fight harder for truly progressive causes in the future (think Max in 2014). That’s enough of a reason to vote for him in my book.

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Don Pogreba
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Whoa. The headline of that piece might get you deported in a Romney administration.

Craig Moore
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Craig Moore

Wrapped into this argument is the supposition that small business is headed by rich people and that they don’t already pay significant taxes to pay for the government services that enrich their businesses, and pay for the public services that do nothing for their businesses. Care to clarify how this “broad” indictment of small business that both you and Obama embrace has any relation to reality? I use the term small business as it is more closely connected tothe “someone who ‘builds’ their business ” that you used. We are not talking Fortune 2000 here with a lineage of existence.… Read more »

Dave Budge
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Obama addresses the two greatest fallacies put forward by those who believe it is possible to be entirely self-made

This is what is called a straw man. No one thinks they are entirely “self-made.” At least no one I’ve ever met.

Norma Duffy (@Ilikewoods)
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You need buyers to sell a product, You need roads to move that product to market, even Nick Venture capitalist who was one of the founders of Amazon, understands this:

David Crisp
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David Crisp

Guess Budge never met Stuart Varney, who was arguing on Hannity that there is no relationship between paying taxes and business success. I could not have built my small business without the taxes others paid to provide me with paved streets, police and fire protection and a legal system. The taxes I pay help to build other businesses. That’s the only point Obama was making. He did not indict businesses, and neither did this post.

Ingemar Johansson
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Ingemar Johansson

Here’s a thousand more reasons to vote for him, PW.

Steve
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Steve

So, there I was, walking down the sidewalk made by the government, and there all of a sudden appeared a business, so I went in and took it for myself, since I couldn’t do it on my own. The problem is, where did the sidewalk actually come from? Well, taxes of course. Okay, where did the taxes come from. The workers who paid their taxes, silly goose. Sure, but where did the workers get their jobs from? Businesses, of course! But how were there businesses before there were sidewalks? Businesses can exist (not well admittedly) without government. Government cannot exist… Read more »

Rob Kailey
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Somalia proves your point, Steve. Since you don’t appear to have ever read anything at all pertaining to ‘socialism’, let me clarify a few things for you. Socialism is not a form of government. It is a form of economic and exists quite well outside of your weak idea of ‘business’. Some countries you identify as ‘socialist’ have very good economies including healthy and favored ‘business’ environments. Barter is socialism, Steve. I’m not surprised you remain clueless about that. Many many cultures have existed as socialist entities in opposition to government, early Christians being the most pointed example. Your idea… Read more »

The Polish Wolf
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The Polish Wolf

Government can, exist, without business, quite well. “business” as you understand it didn’t really exist widely until the renaissance. Before then, in most places the unlimited powers of the regency and lack of currency meant that independent business was unheard of outside of independent cities and merchant republics, where a small portion of the population lived. Later governments also existed largely without business in stages of their development, like Cuba, China, the USSR, and for the reason Rob noted – the government can take the place of business and hire workers directly. It’s less efficient, but it is possible. So,… Read more »

Craig Moore
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Craig Moore

What? Business has been around since ancient tribes met to barter with one another rather than killing the other to get what the other possessed . No currency necessary. Also, the old saying, “close enough for govt work” grew from that govt experience. There is absolutely many real stories about govt run health care, like the Indian health care services, that have a very poor record of efficiency and value to the customer.

Steve
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Steve

My, the strawman factory must be working overtime.

Where did I mention socialism?

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